Honestly, their actions smack of disbelief. tore down walls to ecumenism. (I deeply loved Pope Benedict XVI too and will not allow anyone to negatively influence my thinking by wrongly pitting Francis against Benedict.
‘Where sin has abounded, there grace has abounded all the more’ (Rom 5:20)” (ibid.). The Church can never teach dissent, but it is possible (as the two thousand years of Church history have shown) for particular Catholic teachers to fall into error, as, for example, in the case of Paul of Samosata. Meanwhile, the National Catholic Reporter has raised questions about a creeping papal fundamentalism in reaction to the liberalism in the church. It was for me. Still, the nature and grace of JPII is not the nature and grace of Leo XIII. The Pope is no Bill Clinton. Yes, this is the vocation which Christ has given us.
“The biggest disappointment here is that the Cardinal’s persona as a public commentator was often at odds with his strengths as a biblical interpreter.
Objectively? Vatican II was itself a response to a moment in history that had many complex currents. Also, the confusion revolves just as much around what Vatican II did not change, in any way shape or form, as it is over what Vatican II did change. Then you can draw even a moral consequence. Admittedly, all of them are non-vital (e.g., black shoes over red shoes), but I am concerned that he is trying to convey that these traditions are incompatible with his call for “gospel simplicity.” What would that say about his predecessors? Inquiring minds want ot know. I don’t find that sort of thing within the conversion narratives on this site, and if an ad hominem were found within some such account, I suspect every catholic here (including the convert) would willingly recognize it as such and admit that it either ruins or diminishes the argument in which it was deployed. Second, your “You decided …” objection is the tu quoque objection which I have addressed in “The Tu Quoque.”. But I’ve liked everything I’ve heard and read about him. Regarding O’Malley’s views on VII, I don’t think they are as supportive to what you seem to be wanting to argue here. We claim and expect no additional certainty regarding how well the Church in corporate will carry out the task of evangelizing and teaching in our generation. Again, rather than just appealing to rhetorical gesturing, spill the beans. More devout Catholics, who attend religious services about once a week, support same- sex marriage 53 – 40 percent, while less observant Catholics support it 65 – 26 percent. It also has a pope that says basically what Bill Clinton would say — hate is bad (Christmas eve homily as reported in the press).
dissenters) and tolerating “liberalism” are not the same thing. Reading some of the critical comments at the Reporter fills me with great hope. We Have a Pope (original title: Habemus Papam) is a 2011 Italian-French comedy-drama film directed by Nanni Moretti and starring Michel Piccoli and Moretti. That is why this sort of approach is more akin to an assertion, rather than an argument: the very structure of the argument has no point with respect to settling some disputed matter. David, If Vatican II taught it, you need a hermeneutic similar to Protestant liberals to find it in this statement: “It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. .useless.
However, I’m also seeing more and more conservative Anglicans, Lutherans, and Presbyterians reaching the conclusion (partially due to the Lutheran-Catholic Joint Declaration on Justification) that the Catholic Church does *not* teach a false gospel, even on the all-important matter of justification: https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html, When I was a so-called “Reformed Baptist,” I thought, as you likely do still think, that “Evangelicals and Catholics Together” was/is a very bad idea. The Napoleonic Wars were just ended and the French Republic was still in indeterminate form. The love of Jesus is great. As I explained in my response to Darrin Patrick, in the Reformed-Lutheran Law-Gospel hermeutic, there is no room left for participation in Christ’s saving work. Unless you are contesting the objective statements of fact in the link I provided, distinct from and opposed to the subjective statements of opinion, I find it disturbing that you would even bring it up. Let us bring the joy of the faith to everyone! Well, as things turned out, I could not simply be a “Catholic-friendly, liturgical Calvinist,” and I could not become EO– because I was coming to very seriously consider that the Church’s claims about herself were/are true. Either the Catholic Church is what she claims, or that knowledge is lost in the mists of time, and everybody’s modern guesses are just hopeful reconstructions. We are united by word and Spirit. I am concerned that the Pope is creating tension between the splendor of our traditions and a spirituality which emphasizes humility. And since you think that 95 percent of Roman Catholics don’t actually affirm or practice what Rome teaches and affirms, ….
So you interpret Pascendi one way, in a way that is typical in your search for continuity. Practically every historian of Roman Catholicism recognizes that the posture of Rome changed at Vatican II. . you know, since de Lubac scholasticism is over, right? If anything, perhaps one’s experience of the eddies and cataracts might be more intense.
I’ve taught Pascendi at a Catholic seminary.
https://onpoint.wbur.org/2013/03/12/the-conclave-begins-picking-a-pope For some reason they aren’t calling converts like you guys to speak on the church. The Holy Ghost protects the seat from officially promulgating error, but there is nothing to suggest that it personally and directly picks the man in the chair. But for now I am very happy with this popes style. I take that back, I knew one family through a homeschool group and they were great, but a little odd, I thought at the time;I was just becoming Reformed and was thoroughly enjoying my newfound liberty ( alcohol!
In Protestantism, to which visible teaching authority should I go to find the truth about Biblical and apostolic teaching? Protestants do — though you don’t understand it — distinguish between the theological standards of the church (confession and catechisms) and what individual pastors or theologians say.
The question is whether those ‘motives of credibility’ lead to the Church (and, thence, to the Scripture; in becoming a Catholic you do not lose anything you now believe; you gain). The vocation of being a “protector”, however, is not just something involving us Christians alone; it also has a prior dimension which is simply human, involving everyone. How could we answer that question AND why would it really matter. Why try to do well if you know you are doomed to failure?
Posted by Emily Reimer-Barry | Mar 13, 2013 | Current Events | 1 | The Roman Catholic church has its first non-European pope: Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Buenos Aires, Argentina, now to be known as Pope Francis I. We know that the Church won’t fail to preserve the full truth of Revelation. We have a pope! I work from my belief – based on the faith God has given me, but itself – that faith – given in response to examining the strong ‘motives of credibility’ I mentioned – that the Church is what I believe to the conclusion that these people – both the far-out clown-Mass ‘lefties’ and the sede vacante hyper-traditionalist schismatics and SSPX types – that these people are simply wrong. God bless this Apostolate.
There is a fundamental difference between the indicative-imperative dichotomy in this Reformed-Lutheran theology, and what Pope Francis is saying. The Papacy has had violent murderers, fornicators, homosexuals, and private heretics. This is Jesus.This is the heart that looks on all of us, watching our illnesses, our sins. I agree that apostolic succession extends to all Catholic bishops, including the liberal ones. Catholic understanding and interpretation are absolutely appropriate for Catholic documents. What puzzles me is again the hidden argument (hidden because you have yet to lay it out), according to which a statement such as that which you cite from Duffy allegedly undermines the Catholic advantage of providing “certainty in the midst of chaos.” You seem to be suggesting that if in the Catholic Church there is development of doctrine or changes in disciplines, then there is no certainty in the midst of chaos, or at least no more certainty in the Catholic Church than one can find in Protestant denominations.
Thomas does not believe it when the other Apostles tell him: “We have seen the Lord”. Yet we have Teresa of Calcutta and Francis of Asissi (and our new pope in some ways) to exibit the Church’s humility, and we have other popes and art/architecture to display the grand extravagance. Of course one can discredit such lists as mere copies of older lists. J.I. So, regarding your last comment, I’m not sure you just “heard” that but okay. That does not lead us to be critical of the splendor of our traditions? Have you read Unam Sanctum or Unigenitus (1713)? I just have to say as someone who couldn’t watch eight years ago, this is awesome. When one does not profess Jesus Christ – I recall the phrase of Leon Bloy – “Whoever does not pray to God, prays to the devil.” When one does not profess Jesus Christ, one professes the worldliness of the devil. The Lord brings about a change in those who are faithful to Him. But if he is a subject of his times, and if you as a later resident in human history can see his limitations, then how is the current pope any less a product of his time?
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